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    adiorio110
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      Hi All

      First I would like to say hello to everyone.

      I signed up for bobs course and have been tearing down and rebuilding Size 16 and 18 PW’s. I can even do minor repairs by either replacing parts or in the case of main springs re-installing them when they disconnect. I am pass the point of just wanting to change parts and want to start using parts I have accumulated that may need to be tweaked to work in another application.

      So now my problem

      I have a watch that needs an escape wheel I have an escape wheel that would work but the jewel hole in the upper plate is a bit to small. I have been told I can either make the jewel hole bigger or the pivot smaller I rather do the latter, as I am told it would be a little easier.

      I have a sherline 4400 lathe I purchased about 17 years ago with a package that included a three jaw chuck, steady rest and a few different cutting tools. I have NO real experience using this lathe. I have read the Sherline can be used for watch repair and did a search of this site but haven’t seen and real info (maybe I’m looking in the wrong places). Obviously the way the lathe sits now I can not work on pocket watch parts ie: escape wheel pivot.

      My question is what parts would I need to order to adapt the lathe to work on Pocket and wrist watch parts. From what I have gathered so far is I need collets. Do I need anything to hold the collets? Or do they fit into the head-stock directly. Do I need any other accessories?

      Exactly what would the procedure be for narrowing the pivot?

      Thank You
      Regards
      Anthony

      #64284
      joe austin
      Participant

        How much bigger is the escape wheel? Have you checked the depths on the escape wheel with the other wheels on the train? Also have you checked the depth for the pallets?

        If we are talking slightly too big you can polish the pivots. You will need a WW collet set for your Sherline, and you need small collets, 1-10 in every size. AKA 1, 1.5, 2 etc… The collets have to fit the part correctly or you will get run out when you remove the wheel to check for fit. You could in theory use a 2 or a 1 instead of a 1.5, but it might damage the collet, and it will cause the part to be out of true. Of course a watch pivot is not very long, but it could be an issue. The other way to do this on a lathe is between centers. You will need to turn two female centers, and make a dog for the wheel. Bob’s videos on polishing clock pivots show this method, just shrink it down. Slow speeds, and a steady hand. Watch pivots break easy, and while I own all of the above I dont use my lathe for this process, except for Balance shafts, and then I use Balance (balloon) chucks. My lathe is also varible speed, and a Watch makers lathe so it is built for this size of work, and it still makes me nervous. This is a last ditch type of repair if I have no other option.

        You will also need a way to support the pivot while you polish. You can make a flag or a fixture to fit your tailstock. The steady rest is way to big for this type of work.

        You could also buy, and if I was you I would buy instead a Pivot Polisher, or a Jacot Lathe. This is what they are designed for, and they will do the job best. Watch pivots are so small, it does not take a lot of work to get where you are going, a bow powered set of turns, Pivot Polisher, or Jacot lathe would be where I would be looking. Honestly though, I would swap the wheel, or the jewel instead. Either process to me is easier, and more reliable. Unless you just want to practice polishing pivots.

        In any of the above situations you will need magnification, a pivot file, and a burnisher. Also you will need oil for the burnisher, and know how to prepare the file, and burnisher for use. I would suggest reading Decarle, or Frieds methods of operation. Setting up the lathe, and completing this process will take a lot of time, and you might never get the watch to be timed correctly, what kind of watch is it? There are a ton of escape wheels out there for American Watches. Good luck, have fun!!

        #64285
        bernie weishapl
        Participant

          I have a Taig lathe which is about the same size as the Sherline. I don’t use it much at all for watch work. I bought a Boley watchmakers lathe for the small watch parts. As for the pivot being to big I would either change out the jewel or get a different escape wheel. I agree with Joe there are a lot of parts out there that make life easier. Not saying it can’t be done but to me EW pivots must be polished to perfection and depending you don’t want to take the pivots down to much as you don’t want them to thin. If it were me I would change out the jewel.

          #64286
          willofiam
          Moderator

            It all sounds good to me :D Joe and Bernie have some great ideas…..allow me to come it from another angle Anthony…since your want to @adiorio110 wrote:

            start using parts I have accumulated that may need to be tweaked to work in another application

            then it may be worthwhile to get your tooling ready, at the very least find some old wheels to practice on until you can determine if your tooling is right or not AND your comfortable with the process. As Bernie suggests you can always swap out the jewel or find another part to make things right…in the mean time for the least amount of investment it could be to try and get the Sherline set up and see if it is going to do the work you want it to do, maybe the jacot tool???? If you find the Sherline doesn’t do an accurate job then you would have to come up with another lathe or tool for the future anyway. I guess the only issue would be putting money into the ideas. Hope this makes sense as I am trying to get out the door right now. Have a great day, William

            #64287
            Bob Tascione
            Moderator

              Hi Anthony,
              Joe, Bernie and William have covered it beautifully. I just want to add in response to your question

              Do I need anything to hold the collets? Or do they fit into the head-stock directly?

              Yes you will need an 8mm collet adapter and drabar. Sherline has them up on their website. You can get the two for Sherlines 8mm collets which have a body diameter just .001 – .002 in. smaller than the usual 8mm collets, or you can purchase the adapter that works with standard 8mm collets. This is the one I would recommend if you plan on grabbing a watchmakers lathe in the future so they will be interchangable.

              I’ll grab a link for you in a bit to the Sherline adapter and will post it up here for you.
              Take care,
              Bob

              #64288
              Bob Tascione
              Moderator

                Anthony,
                Here’s the link to the Sherline adapter:
                http://sherline.com/product/11611163-ww-8mm-collet-adapter-and-drawbar/

                Bob

                #64289
                adiorio110
                Participant

                  Thank you all for taking the time out to answer my questions..

                  Is it worth it to buy the tools and learn how to use them ? Or is it just more cost effective and practical to just replace parts ?

                  Anthony

                  #64290
                  joe austin
                  Participant

                    I use my lathe a lot. Especially on clock pivots. I also occasionally make shafts for watches, and polish balance pivots. I also use it to make tools. It is a great tool to learn how to use, there are many things that you can do with a lathe I suggest learning to use one.

                    #64291
                    adiorio110
                    Participant

                      @Joe Austin wrote:

                      I use my lathe a lot. Especially on clock pivots. I also occasionally make shafts for watches, and polish balance pivots. I also use it to make tools. It is a great tool to learn how to use, there are many things that you can do with a lathe I suggest learning to use one.

                      Joe

                      I planning on using the lathe even for non watch related projects. So I will be looking into getting more proficient with it.

                      In the meatime I could not control myself so I purchased a Jacot tool

                      Will this one suffice ?

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/391674069791?_trksid=p2057872.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                      BTW thank for such a great response to my questions

                      Regards
                      Anthony

                      #64292
                      joe austin
                      Participant

                        Sorry I have been out of town this weekend. That looks like a great tool. I think it will do well for you, check the lanterns when you get it to ensure they are straight. This is crucial to the operation of the tool.

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