Need advice – stuck balance cap jewel – Elgin 6S

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  • #49517
    sstakoff
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    Hi-

    Looking for advice on loosening a top balance cap jewel on Elgin/6S. Removed both screws but it’s in there pretty good.
    Tried rodico, tried a bit of a soak in one-dip, tried gentle prying with screwdriver but don’t want to damage.

    Thanks in advance

    #62214
    randy
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    You will eventually want to buy a jewel pusher. They look similar to a sleeve wrench for pocket watches.
    For now…you can try this.
    They are friction fit so what I would do is to lay the balance cock upside down onto a piece of pithwood, or even some rodico if you don’t have any pith buttons.
    Use a piece of wood just slightly smaller in diameter of the jewel setting, or a flat faced stake from your staking set if you have one. Be careful to not contact the jewel itself, but the outer ring of the brass setting, so you don’t chip the jewel.
    Gently push the setting out.

    best,

    Randy

    #62215
    bamadadof3
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    You will find almost all of them will need to be pushed out from the bottom as Randy advised. It’s really the best way to do it and it will keep you from butchering your pretty jewel settings.

    #62216
    sstakoff
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    Thanks for the replies, but I’m still confused. I have a jewel pusher, but I don’t believe the brass setting of the cap jewel is
    accessible from the underside of the balance as the hole jewel and its setting would be in the way??? Have I got this wrong?

    Thanks again in advance!

    #62217
    sstakoff
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    Here are some pics of the feisty jewel. Don’t think I can push from the underside as this is the hole jewel, which
    I don’t want to mess with. Just want to remove the cap jewel in order to clean properly.


    #62218
    fleurenf
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    Would it work if you placed something soft but firm and equal diameter of the jewel on the underside than gently press to see if it will move?

    #62219
    chris mabbott
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    A Late welcome to the forum..

    In your photo #1 the underside of the balance cock. You push out both jewel settings from here. The jewels are mounted in the brass settings.

    Photo #2 this is the top side, the jewel settings will eject outwards from this side.

    As Randy mentioned, you need a punch with a slightly smaller outside diameter than the cock hole (great word:-) but the diameter must be sufficient to touch the brass NOT the jewel.

    If they are tight, what I use is a piece of pegwood that i sand to fit, then gently tap until both setting are free.

    Be careful where you push them out, make sure, if they fly, that you can find them.. They will probably be stuck together with dry oil..

    Make a note of the mating pin prick on the TOP jewel setting, this assures that the screw spaces align and the jewel setting goes back in the same way..

    I also see another problem… One of the tiny pins (curb pins) is sticking up, you will have to gently tap this back in..

    #62220
    sstakoff
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    Ok.. Got it. I was trying to avoid removing the hole jewel, but it sounds like that’s not going to happen.
    Will give it a shot. Any advice on how to ensure that when I replace the hole jewel I do so to the correct depth?

    #62221
    chris mabbott
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    When you have cleaned the jewels/settings and used pegwood to clean the holes, then you can also use a piece of pegwood the clean inside the hole in the balance cock, blow it out after to remove debris..

    Install one setting at a time, hole jewel first, making certain that it is straight and not angled. You can apply a small amount of oil inside the jewel housing with your oiler.
    The hole jewel will stop as it contacts its seating lip, so don’t force it. The cap jewel should be flush with the top of the balance cock, as your photo shows. They are pretty well sized for their space..

    #62222
    randy
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    Once you get it out..you should see that the hole jewel has a flange that seats against the hole in the balance cock.

    You shouldn’t need to adjust it.

    Randy

    #62223
    sstakoff
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    ok.. Wish me luck!!

    #62224
    sstakoff
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    worked perfectly… Jewels removed – no problem.

    Thanks for all the advice/help

    #62225
    tukat44
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    This is GREAT!!! I love it when forum advice leads to immediate success!!! Grateful, as always to everyone. Regards Tukat

    #62226
    randy
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    Glad to hear that all went well !!

    Best

    Randy

    #62227
    chris mabbott
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    Good job dewd, yep I said dewd, it slips out now and then 😆

    To whom should I and the lovely Randy send our bill to..? ;)

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