Clock indetification

[martinbevis123]

Hi

I wonder if anyone can help me with the identification of this movement. I have been given this clock by my Mother which has been in the family for many years. Being quite new to clock repair I just couldn’t wait to get the movement out of its case to give it a clean and service. In my experience I have come across the two types of striking mechanism – countwheel and rack and snail. This movement has puzzled me as it has a countwheel on the front plate but instead of levers it has a cam like the gathering pallet on the rack and snail system. Is this a common type of striking system and what would it be called?

Also I cannot see any makers mark on the movement, all I can see is the number 22 stamped on the bottom right of the rear plate. I am not sure but I feel that it may be German.

Any information as to the manufacturer and date of this movement would be appreciated.

Thanks so much for any help as always.

Martin

• This topic was modified 3 years ago by Tamas Richard.

[dave booth]

The photos are good for showing the cam locking mechanism you describe, but are too close for any specific identification to be made. We need photographs of the full movement, both front and back (and it would probably be helpful to have a photo of the case, as well). It might also be helpful to have a photo of the front of the movement with the hour wheel removed, so that we can see the strike lifting cam on the minute arbor.

I have some thoughts, but without further information, cannot narrow them down, and to express them without further information, may only “muddy the waters”.

[martinbevis123]

Hi Dave

Thanks very much for your reply and here are the pictures that you have requested. Hope that these make identification a bit clearer and will be very interested to find out as much as possible about this clock.

Look forward to hearing back from you.

Martin

• This reply was modified 3 years ago by Tamas Richard.

[arutha]

I would say that clock is most likely German as I dont know of any English movements that use a countwheel. Other than that I am not of much help.
Paul.

[martinbevis123]

Hi Paul

Thanks for your help. I have since dismantled the movement and still no makers mark or stamp. So I am also thinking German as the countwheel is very similar to a Junghans that I have also recently cleaned. :

[bernie weishapl]

I am guessing German also such as a old Jauch, Junghans or Mauthe.

[dave booth]

Very likely German. Most French clocks use count wheels, but the finish of the plates isn’t up to usual French standards, and the pivots appear to be larger than those of comparable French movements.

I don’t know why, but something about this movement makes me want to assign it to Mauthe. I just looked at some photos of Junghans movements I have worked on over the years, and even though they are not all marked with the typical Junghans star logo, they all have “tails” on the back end of the clicks, so that the springs easily can be let down. This movement has none.

Assuming it to be German, 22 is the length of the pendulum, in centimeters. One never knows, though if that is measured from the bottom or the top of the suspension spring. As a rough start, I’d assume bottom of the suspension spring to the center of the bob. (It is actually to the centroid of the pendulum bob and rod, including the rating nut, but center of the bob is usually close enough to get the time-keeping close).

[martinbevis123]

Hi Dave / Bernie

Thanks so much for your identification of this clock and the explanation of the number 22 stamped on the rear plate.

Much appreciated

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