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  • August 31, 2012 at 10:08 am #48364
    willofiam
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      Hi everyone, Bob I hope it is o.k. to put this up. I came across this Wm Gilbert calendar clock and the the only marking on the works is S D on the lower left front plate and a small letter J on the upper left front plate. Does anyone have any ideas on what these stand for and possible originality of the works with the case, year ect….Thanks all, have a fantastic day :D William




      August 31, 2012 at 6:52 pm #52189
      kennyheacock
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        No Idea but it looks like you are moving right along on it. Schoolhouse clocks are so neat! I was lucky on my old clock, there were so illegible numbers on the movement frame but someone had written 11-22-26 and a name (can’t read it but it starts with E) on the bottom of the case. I could make an educated guess that the date was 10-26 (This model was “made from 1927-“) from that and conclude from that that the movement matched the clock. I do genealogy so I am used to trying to figure things like this out. (Fuzzy logic?) Good luck on the clock, hope someone can help.)

        Kenny

        September 1, 2012 at 2:54 pm #52190
        Bob Tascione
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          Hi William and Kenny,

          Yes by all means put these posts up here anytime!

          I’m sorry but I don’t know what those letters would mean William. My first guess was that SD might mean “short drop” but your clock is definitely not a short drop so scratch that theory!
          The movement sure looks E.N. ‘Welshish’ to me. Welsh made a movement (I have one) that looks just like yours but I think mine has E.N. Welsh etched into the plate. It’s up in San Diego so not able to check and compare the two. I think Gilbert did make a similar one though so…also I wasn’t aware that Gilbert even made an “Eclipse”. I think Welsh made and then Sessions continued (Sessions took over Welsh somewhere after the turn of last century) to make that model. That doesn’t mean Gilbert didn’t make an Eclipse and/or that movement…just means I didn’t know they did! Maybe it’s possible that Sessions continued that movement without putting a name on it? Maybe the transfer on that glass is a new one and possibly incorrect? I’ll dig around tonight to see if I can find some info on it. Also I thought I was losing it when I looked at the opened door in your pic and the writing wasn’t reversed. Didn’t realize you had removed the door!
          I just got back today so I’ll check a few books tonight after the dust settles around here.

          Enjoy!
          Bob

          September 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm #52191
          willofiam
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            Sorry guys, I should have included what is written on the back paper, it says, Eclipse Regulator, manufactured expressly for the American Wringer Co., 99 Chambers St. New York, by the Wm L. Gilbert clock Co. Winsted, Conn, USA…… The glass on the lower door looks original with wavy glass and small imperfections,, the writing also looks like it was always there, the bezel glass I am not sure. well maybe I have a one of a kind worth millions :) , William ;) Oh and here it is refurbished and running smoothly, not sure I should have polished the pendulum bob but my wife said to 🙄 , sometime in the past someone had did several things to the case ect… I was able to rectify some things BUT…… in any case it is a great piece of previous owner history and a handsome, fantastic running clock….already have someone interested but I would like to find out a little more about it first!!!! Thanks all, be good :D



            September 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm #52192
            Bob Tascione
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              Hi William,
              That clears it up a bit, thanks. Quite a few companies made the ‘Eclipse Regulator’ and Eclipse for American Wringer Co. I’m not sure if they were made to American Wringer Cos. design or they were designs that came from the different companies. I checked online and found that Welsh made the Eclipse Regulator for them early on and then Sessions, New Haven, Ansonia and others followed. I don’t know if Gilbert made them before E.N. Welsh did or not. Would be interesting to find out. I’ve run down a pic online of the movement that I was talking about which was made by E.N. Welsh. It sure looks like your movement from what I can see in the pics. Again not sure who designed this movement.
              Here’s the pic.
              Hope this helps William,
              Bob

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