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Thanks Chris,
I did clean that, and just checked the other suggestions. The balance wasn’t shaking, hairspring wasn’t catching anything, index pins were okay (same as autocrat settings).
when checking the hairspring I did look closer at the balance without the fork to see if the balance was slowing by itself when turned right side
up and it was, then noticed the staff was sinking all the way down into the bottom balance jewel so that the flat part of the bottom of the staff was hitting
the jewel brass setting. Since the staff looked good, I thought it had to be the jewel being worn. I ended up using the jewel from thespare autocrat movement after trying many of the ones I had on hand that didn’t work and it’s working fine now. However it would be great if anyone knows where to score a bottom balance
staff jewel for the Illinois Lincoln size 14
thanks for collaborating with me Chris and the ideas. Helped a lot!