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Thanks Chris, It was pocket watches on ebay which i was considering for practice…a few nice pieces but all have problems. I would not consider purchasing any major tools yet until i can disassemble and reassemble a watch confidently a few times. Everything was going positive with a waltham only to find three issues which at this point i cant master… jewel missing where third gear is placed, main spring case will not snap shut, plus damaged pivot…i learned a fair bit from the waltham though and remembered to take notes and images…was planning doing a chris mabbott style polishing job too. Anyway moved on with an old seconda ussr built like a tank so feeling positive again…hopefully i can reassemble without issues.