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    Hey Randy, Thanks, you made me laugh, I cant seem to remember if I already had a lobotomy or not, oh well, if I did then it would make more sense. I know what you are saying and yes threading a pin in would be the ultimate, this pin is about .8 mm, trying to peen the back side over is where the trouble begins, if it is not held perfectly then it will loosen the brass hole (then again I am probably doing it wrong). looking at a newer movement say like a hermele the pins are just pushed through the hole, maybe I need to try some more experiments with a pin much larger than the hole and really jam it in. I also think my issue on this particular project is that the brass lever the pin is passing thru is so thin. William