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Hi Charles, thanks for your reply. I have tried a couple of other cannon pinions with the same result. You did mention with the cannon pinion off the watch, it will run the mainspring completely down. It only stops in 8 to 10 minutes when the cannon pinion and minute wheel are on regardless whether the dial is in place or not. I did check the dial and it is not loose, movement has good dial screws. I have also replaced the minute and hour wheel with those from the good movement. An easy answer to this problem is case the good movement and go on but this is really bothering me because I cannot find the problem. All my troubleshooting material points to the third wheel but as I said I replaced that with a good one. Thinking the movement runs without the cannon pinion and minute wheel in place that maybe the center wheel is bent. But again replaced that with the same results. Thanks again, if I find the problem I will let you know.