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Hey guys, thank you, this is very frustrating, I wonder how they originally soldered this stuff, as always you guys were both on the nose with ideas. I just read that for 2 or more metals the solders loosely classified are “hard” and “soft”. solder made mostly from lead and tin, generally the higher percentage of tin the less temp needed to melt.. in what I was reading a 96%tin and a 4% silver has a melting point of 440 F and will form a strong joint and a solder iron should work well, using a rosin flux so it doesnt corrode the metal, and like you said Bob cleaning very well beforehand. well thats me diving in before looking 🙄 thanks again and if there are any more ideas on this they will be greatly appreciated, William