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    thank you Paul and Bob, :D been busy this past couple a days with a clock shop expansion (will add pics to my shop thread later this week) anyway Bob if it is not too much trouble I always soak in information even if its for future reference. I would save those pdf’s. If it is a bit of a hassle I can wait and see where I go with this. Many issues with this clock works 🙄 . Thank you. William